Welcome 10Bet Affiliates as a new GPWA Silver sponsor!

**Anthony** · 6 January 2014, 1:34 pm

Please give a warm welcome to 10Bet Affiliates!
We are pleased to welcome them to the GPWA community as a Silver sponsor!

A little about the program:
10Bet Affiliates is the affiliate program for 10Bet.com, which features one of the widest variety of soccer and basketball leagues around the world powered by SBTech - along with casino games powered by Microgaming and Sheriff Gaming. 10Bet offers its gaming products on more than 20 languages on a easy to navigate interface and operates a one wallet system: same log in details and payment methods across all 10Bet products. Among the other advantages of the program, but not limited to are: amazing commission rates, paid on a quick manner, highly advanced reporting software, vast array of marketing tools - including regular and XML banners, XML feeds, text links, co-branded landing pages, designed with high conversion in mind. They do not accept U.S. players.

Highlights

Activity Quota:Yes. Affiliates are required to refer at least 5 active players within 3 months of joining the program. Also, 10Bet Affiliates need to have referred at least 5 active customers before being eligible for any payment.
Earnings Time Limited:No
Earnings Location Limited:No
Negative Carryover:Yes
Earnings Bundled:Yes
Tracking Cookie Duration:30 days
Tracking Cookies Overwritten:Yes, latest referrer receives credit.

How They Pay

Bank Wire Transfer
NETELLER
Skrill
WebMoney
Player Account

Software Platform

SBTech
Microgaming
Sheriff Gaming

Affiliate Program Management:
>> Elina Basheva, Affiliate Team Leader - Elina goes by 10Bet Affiliates in the forum and can be reached by email at [email protected].
>> Dobri Ugrenov, Affiliate Manager - Dobri can be reached by email at [email protected].

Signing up or Additional Info
To sign up, just fill out the registration form on the 10Bet Affiliates website.

Or, for additional information about the program, visit the 10Bet Affiliates program review or the 10Bet Affiliates forum.

**Moonlight Cat** · 6 January 2014, 3:00 pm

Welcome to GPWA Forum 10bet.com

**LotusAffiliates** · 14 January 2014, 1:10 am

Welcome to GPWA Family

**Roulette Zeitung** · 20 January 2014, 12:39 pm

Hello,

it's no scret, that my heart beats for affiliate programs with Gold or Silver status too and especially for small webmasters.

I know, that there is a very, very, very nice person working at 10Bet Affiliates. She's one of the pearls in the industry.

Please be sorry, but I became a stomach ache after reading this term:

2.6. All 10Bet affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active customers within a three-month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account, you may not be qualified for any affiliate payment.

Source: https://partners.10bet.com/terms_and_conditions.asp

I became the pain after reading "not be qualified for any affiliate payment".

"for any"

= $0 ?

This term itself seems from a small webmaster perspective ill chosen. My opinion is, that small and medium webmasters are more loyal then bigger ones, because they don't look only for the money. Some other aspects are important too. I believe, in the long run it's more safe to have 100 small or medium webmasters in the company than 5 big ones.

The term is unfortunate. I don't want to bring your business concept into question but maybe you can adjust it a little bit. The question is simple: "What is the benefit, the intrinsic meaning of this term, and how can it adjusted in a positive way?"

"for any"

= $0 ?

I hope, you understand my view of things.

Leopold

**universal4** · 20 January 2014, 4:51 pm

Good catch Leopold, but sadly too many of the programs disagree that small affiliates help them so much more then they are willing to admit.

ALL quotas, in order to be paid, are BAD for ALL affiliates. (I have been saying this for years)

It is only the last year or so that many more affiliates are starting to understand this more with the many changes in terms and quotas inching their way into those terms changes.

Although I too work with a few programs that currently have quotas in their terms, I rarely ever join a program now that have quotas in their terms and if there were a reasonable way I would drop every single program that has a quota in order to get paid. (it doesn't matter what private deals are made, if it's in the term it can and likely WILL be used against you at some point in the future)

Rick
Universal4

**Asim** · 21 January 2014, 4:34 am

I would advise all small/midium affiliates that are thinking about signing up at 10Bet affiliates, about not to promote this site. AVOID 10BET AT ALL COST!!
You will most likely never ever get paid because of their riduculos terms. In other words you send them free traffic and players!
I wrote about avoiding them some year ago here : https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/bookmaker...tml#post625782

We now have over €4000 in revenue locked at our 10bet affiliate account. Its revenue for several years that existing players have generated, but because of the qouta-term 10bet affiliates have refused to pay us. We did try to add them to more of our sites and give them good spots on sites, for a period but that did not refer players enough to meet the qouta-term. So we had no other option than to move back to affiliate programs that secure us a monthly payment (bet365, betvictor etc).

That sad part for a business point of view is, that if they did not have the ridiculos terms Leopold mentions above, 10bet would be a site that we most likely would promote on all of our sites because they have sportsbetting, casino, poker in one. So we would send them tons of traffic instead of zero traffic like now.

Its very sad that it seems like that nowadays all affiliate programs with bad affiliate terms can become silver/gold etc sponsor at GPWA.

To sum up : Avoid 10bet at all cost webmasters!

**Anthony** · 21 January 2014, 9:40 am

Relationships between affiliates and affiliate programs work best when there is clarity regarding the way the relationship works. For that reason we have been publishing information about quotas on the affiliate program's profile page, under highlights:

www.wmcash24.com/affiliate-program/10bet-com-affiliates

**10Bet Affiliates** · 22 January 2014, 8:32 am

Hey guys,

Thanks for welcoming us to the GPWA family and for your comments.

I would like to clarify that the reason for the quota is to make sure that both parties benefit from better performance and to ensure that affiliates who sign up with our program do actually promote our brand to an adequate level.
Of course, we pride ourselves in flexibility with each and every affiliate case and we’re always open to make exceptions.

To clarify - the rule means that an affiliate should have referred at least 5 depositing players for the first quarter of our partnership, before we start paying out the commissions. Should an affiliate not achieve the requirement we are pretty flexible, giving them the alternative to reach the specified quota for a current quarter instead, so they can have their balance released. The commission of course is accumulated in the affiliate account and released once the requirement is met. What’s more-examining each case individually, even when this criterion hasn’t been met, we are open to make exceptions.

If you have any questions/ queries/ suggestions about 10Bet Affiliates, please feel free to PM or contact me anytime via e-mail or skype

Thank you!

Kind Regards,

**Roulette Zeitung** · 23 January 2014, 6:15 am

Originally Posted by Anthony

Relationships between affiliates and affiliate programs work best when there is clarity regarding the way the relationship works.

It work best, if there is a basis for morally and ethic because webmasters are always on the weak side and under the view of law simply outlawed. This is the reality!

---

A response 2 (two) days later?!

„make sure that both parties benefit from better performance?/i>

I have had myself a company with more than only 10 or 15 employees. Sell things for me is like water drinking. I placed special value on honesty, education and true motivation, In a market like online gambling with force you will not achieve happy results, only a (worldwide) bad reputation and many angry employees in the long run because most webmasters don't read rules before signing-up.

„make sure that both parties benefit from better performance?/i>

The only party who benefit from the rule is you, because the difference between force and motivation is essential for a longstanding cooperation. Of course, it's more work to motivate webmasters instead trying to force them with rules, and moreover you need educated and honest affiliate managers in this business to motivate webmasters. The results by forcing a ?i>better performance?is a Pyrrhic victory.

„and to ensure that affiliates who sign up with our program do actually promote our brand to an adequatelevel.?/i>

„adequate level?/i>

And you decide, what an „adequate level?/i> is?

For some smaller or medium webmasters with some unlucky weeks or months (e.g. Google position change) another ?i>adequate level?exist.

Please don't tell me, that 5 new players are the result of commercial calculation. It's an arbitrary minimum because of the number of fingers from the hand who have written the term and the numbers of foot toes starts tapping to the beat.

Only one example: If a newcomer want to work for a German company which is offering private health insurances e.g. for self-employed, and his new company will say to him ?i>Listen, if you can't find at least 3 new customers every week for the 1st months, then we will take all your outstanding earnings in our own pocket.? then this company can close the windows because more then one employee will holding placards on the street complaining the situation.

„Should an affiliate not achieve the requirement we are pretty flexible, giving them the alternative to reach the specified quota for a current quarter instead, so they can have their balance released.?/i>

"they can have their balance released."

Now we are on the decisive point –There is no need to write a term with the threat to take (my opinion is ?to steal) the webmasters money if he has not fulfilled the arbitrary forced obligations if you say, that he will get a ?i>2^ndchance? It's a logic error like the grandfather paradox. If you really do so (2^nd chance), then there is absolutely no need to write this term, a term from my view more than unethical.

„Opposition embitters the enthusiast but never converts him.?/i>
Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller(1759 - 1805), German poet, writer and philosopher

Leopold

**thebookiesoffers** · 23 January 2014, 6:24 am

never had a problem with 10bet myself, Elina has been spot on since I started working with her a few years back, getting me paid each month via bank transfer even if it was way under the normal threshold

just my opinion though

**universal4** · 23 January 2014, 6:35 pm

Why have a term that is never used?

In order to have the flexibility to use it at any time.

Small affiliates pretty much have no choice but to go with the terms that are in writing.

Rick
Universal4

**Roulette Zeitung** · 24 January 2014, 6:51 am

Things really get exciting if terms are changing into a philosophy.

Ms. Basheva,

I have a question to you. We talked about

2.6. All 10Bet affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active customers within a three-month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account, you may not be qualified for any affiliate payment.

and thus at a first glance it's a single quota term.

Yesterday I found in your term section "10BET RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS" these astonishing turn:

3.6. 10Bet reserves the right to reduce Affiliate commission percentages if the Affiliate reduces efforts to recruit new Acquired Customers. The Affiliate's reduced or suspended promotion of our sites will be deemed to represent termination of this Agreement.

"reduce Affiliate commission percentages if the Affiliate reduces efforts to recruit new Acquired Customers"

Please explain me how you can judge about the "Affiliate [...] efforts" and why the word "arbitrary" is not the right one. Do you need extensive evidence of previous work from the webmaster? Or a live stream from his working desk webcam? And can you please explain me the benefit for the webmaster with this term?

Sorry, but every time I see more than one (!) bad term in two different (!) sections of a term page, I ask myself: "On purpose or accidentally?"

One quota term is bad enough, but a 2nd backdoor term can be an indication of a business philosophy for cold days.

There is no benefit with that terms. Not for the webmaster ... not for you (If you are not a thief).

You want to work in a sound business manner? Cancel them! Then you have a benefit ... with a better reputation, and every small webmaster can sleep well without fear of the cold days.

Leopold

**10Bet Affiliates** · 28 January 2014, 6:19 am

Hi Roulette Zeitung,

I’d like to thank you for the time and the feedback provided- it’s much appreciated. We’re always open to accept any opinions and suggestions from the affiliates.

Please have in mind that some of the terms have been set to simply protect us from fraudulent activities.

Our partners are enjoying open, honest and fruitful partnership for the long run and we at the 10Bet Affiliate Team pride ourselves in our flexibility.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 28 January 2014, 12:13 pm

Hello Ms. Basheva

Originally Posted by 10Bet Affiliates

we at the 10Bet Affiliate Team pride ourselves in our flexibility.

Originally Posted by universal4

the flexibility to use [a term] [...] at any time.

"Please have in mind that some of the terms have been set to simply protect us from fraudulent activities."

This is correct You have 32 terms and indeed the following terms "have been set to simply protect" you "from fraudulent activities": Terms 1.3, 2.3 V and 3.5.
But the critical (in this thread discussed) terms 2.6 under section "AFFILIATE RIGHTS

AND OBLIGATIONS" and 3.6 under section "10BET RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS" have nothing to do with fraud protection expect in cases, when an affiliate program classifies the fail to fulfil of a quota or reduced efforts as fraud.

Do you?

One other rule (Make assurance double sure?), not mentioned yet, is very important too:

4.6. Your 10Bet affiliate account must have a minimum of 5 active referred Customers before you will be eligible for any affiliate payment.

Look closely! It differs from

2.6. All 10Bet affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active customers within a three-month period of joining the program. Should an affiliate not reach this requirement the affiliate account, you may not be qualified for any affiliate payment.
All three critical rules (2.6, 3.6 and 4.6) ... are ending with [X].6 ... What a coincidence!

And these three critical rules can be summed up in one sentence:

"If you join 10Bet Affiliates you will get paid after (!) you acquire at least 5 active referred customers, but for fulfilling you have only 3 months time, and you get paid for the duration of the whole and also for future business relations only if 10Bet Affiliates not sensed that you reduce your efforts in general."

It is not a disgrace to adjust terms which puts webmasters unilaterally at a disadvantage. To ignore the deeper meaning of a fair business relationship with terms is unwise.

Leopold

**bookieplanet** · 29 January 2014, 8:19 am

We have been working with 10bet for almost a year and like thebookiesoffers we also had no problems with them. To go one step further, Elina, the affiliate team leader, has been helpful, very proactive and very professional. 10bet as a brand converts well and delivers good results.

The terms and conditions of the majority of the affiliate programmes are very similar. Many have clauses with regards to how many depositors are needed in a given period in order to get paid. Some programmes enforce these while others don’t. If you don’t think you can hit the required threshold you can always speak with an affiliate manager and see if you can work something out.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 29 January 2014, 8:42 am

"The terms and conditions of the majority of the affiliate programmes are very similar."

No.

Show me e.g. the simular for

3.6. 10Bet reserves the right to reduce Affiliate commission percentages if the Affiliate reduces efforts to recruit new Acquired Customers.

with a quote and link source "of the majority of the affiliate programmes" directly here in this thread.

Fact is, that many affiliate programms don't need these backdoor terms for cold days.
What a surprise.
And (perhaps) a nightmare for starters.

Leopold

**10Bet Affiliates** · 29 January 2014, 10:20 am

Hi Leopold,

I'd like to thank you very much for your feedback again, we will take your comments under consideration!

**Roulette Zeitung** · 29 January 2014, 11:35 am

Hello Elina,

Originally Posted by 10Bet Affiliates

we will take your comments under consideration!

you can only win, will not earn less one cent, can play a pioneering role in the industry, because I am fed up to the back teeth of fine words from some narrow-minded programs.

As long as webmasters are de facto and de jure outlawed in the industry, pushed increasingly more and more into the role of supplicants, as long terms should be more an encouragement than another blow.

Leopold

**thebookiesoffers** · 29 January 2014, 1:10 pm

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

"The terms and conditions of the majority of the affiliate programmes are very similar."

No.

Show me e.g. the simular for

3.6. 10Bet reserves the right to reduce Affiliate commission percentages if the Affiliate reduces efforts to recruit new Acquired Customers.

with a quote and link source "of the majority of the affiliate programmes" directly here in this thread.

Fact is, that many affiliate programms don't need these backdoor terms for cold days.
What a surprise.
And (perhaps) a nightmare for starters.

Leopold

Im not here to defend 10bet but that would look to me like if you agreed a deal for more commission for say a top 3 and then you drop them back down then they can reduce your commission back down

just my view on it, end of the day Elina is one of the good ones

**-Shay-** · 29 January 2014, 1:40 pm

Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers

Im not here to defend 10bet but that would look to me like if you agreed a deal for more commission for say a top 3 and then you drop them back down then they can reduce your commission back down

just my view on it, end of the day Elina is one of the good ones

That is "probably" the intention of the term but the letter of the law could give them the right to reduce if you do something as small as no longer placing their banners within a weekly picks article that you decided to test them out on.

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