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    Quote Originally Posted by ocreditor View Post
    Wow, what I dont understand is how Paypal paid if she dont have the funds ?
    They pay and collect it later from her account.

    F.e. you're paying today something with PayPal, they'll take it tomorrow from your bank account. If there's enough funds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    They pay and collect it later from her account.

    F.e. you're paying today something with PayPal, they'll take it tomorrow from your bank account. If there's enough funds...
    Alright, very bad for paypal..., I would guess they'll probably upgrade the gambling payments system to check credit before the actual payment sent.

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    Here in the US when you spend money with PayPal and you do not have enough funds in your cash account, they take the funds from the "backup funding source" immediately. This can be a credit card or bank checking account.

    Normally, this is done as an ACH transaction, and is usually instant.

    In the US they also offer a "credit" account with prior approval titled "Bill Me Later" and when you use it the funds are released to the seller/merchant instantly, and you agree to their payback terms, similar to a consumer loan or credit card, with a few extra fees associated.

    I do not know how this was done in this particular case, or what normal operating procedures are for other countries, such as Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Here in the US when you spend money with PayPal and you do not have enough funds in your cash account, they take the funds from the "backup funding source" immediately. This can be a credit card or bank checking account.

    Normally, this is done as an ACH transaction, and is usually instant.

    In the US they also offer a "credit" account with prior approval titled "Bill Me Later" and when you use it the funds are released to the seller/merchant instantly, and you agree to their payback terms, similar to a consumer loan or credit card, with a few extra fees associated.

    I do not know how this was done in this particular case, or what normal operating procedures are for other countries, such as Germany.

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    This make more sense.
    But in life in some rare situation one can find a way to bend the system, even if he didn't mean to in the first place, seen this happen many times

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Here in the US when you spend money with PayPal and you do not have enough funds in your cash account, they take the funds from the "backup funding source" immediately. This can be a credit card or bank checking account.

    Normally, this is done as an ACH transaction, and is usually instant.

    In the US they also offer a "credit" account with prior approval titled "Bill Me Later" and when you use it the funds are released to the seller/merchant instantly, and you agree to their payback terms, similar to a consumer loan or credit card, with a few extra fees associated.

    I do not know how this was done in this particular case, or what normal operating procedures are for other countries, such as Germany.

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    In the UK, I know that you can "make a payment" well above and beyond your PP balance and generally within two working days, the money is requested from your bank account. Sadly, this works even if the money is not there.

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    Dear reader,

    some things are really interesting. Based on German criminal code more than 90% of all operators, affiliate manager and also German webmaster commit a breach of the law every single day.


    So the official name of the conference in Berlin is not e.g "Berlin Casino Affiliate Conference" or something like that. No, the official registered name for Berlin is "Berlin Affiliate Conference and Financial Partners Expo Berlin".

    This is the official logo:



    This is the official website with details from Messe Berlin: https://www.messe-berlin.de/Veranstal...2015#fair10688

    A quote from the detail page:

    "This year our event moves from Barcelona to the famous city of Berlin. Join us on the 22 October – 25 October for four days of conference, exhibition and networking. The Financial Partners Expo, the largest dedicated expo for affiliates and introducing brokers within the retail finance sector will also be co-located within BAC."

    "The Financial Partners Expo [...] will also be co-located within BAC."

    ===> https://www.financialpartnersexpo.com/berlin2015/

    Yes, all these highly dangerous binary option trading companies with high addictivity.

    Based on the fact, that [again] with almost absolute certainty privacy data from affiliates will be shared, or sold these days in Berlin, there is no doubt: This is no tea dance event. It's a commercial event, and if they would not hide the words "online casino", I am very sure, German authorities would collect all data from stand owners and visitors.

    It would be the best chance to start hundreds of criminal judicial proceedings against German citizens.
    But ... No plaintiff, no judge
    Lucky you!, casino affiliate industry.

    My opinion is, that it would really the best, some people go into jail right now and will be arrested directly at Berlin!

    Why?

    The current hacker websites variation is not only placing banners. Your browser will be attacked directly and only with high end protection you are safe. One of the casino is -no surprise- Affpower's brand.

    Affpower, without any doubt a criminal organisation, is at Berlin!

    And I have also very interesting news for you, dear reader!
    Do you remember the Playtech miracle?

    ===> https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/any-direc...tml#post785323 (and following posts)

    Now look here:

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    Fernanda Carrascal

    CMO at AFFPOWER

    Meet AFFPOWER at BAC 2015

    Hello all,

    Once again I am reaching you out in order to invite all Casino Affiliates to meet the AFFPOWER team at the Berlin Affiliates Conference between 22-25 October.

    We are definitely offering the best terms in the industry. Our network includes 6 top converting casino brands and top notch marketing tools in order to maximize conversion and profits.



    Source: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/meet-...anda-carrascal

    Any questions?

    Also about German criminal code additionally to illegal operation of an online casino?
    This is, what some stand owners should be punished with: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/en...tgb.html#p2482

    Leopold

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    Today a very smart person with backbone gave me the kindly compliment, that I am an observant person.
    Yes, I do everything to avoid troubles with my mind which can get forgetful, confused or fearful the older I get.
    Superficiality and unilateral opportunism are not what I am searching for.

    Innate attention ... partaking in the world.
    These are the moments I am looking for ... a worthwhile for me.

    So miracles are also an exciting thing.
    Everyone should know, that I have no problem with talking plain language.
    Miracle to you ... today?

    Fruity Affiliates
    Two out of three are not enough.
    [To share privacy data]

    "Trust has to be earned, and should come only after the passage of time."
    -Arthur Ashe

    I will wait one more week ... observant

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    A large part of this industry is writing about gambling with absolutely no idea about the topic.
    The result are more and more crap content.
    Every week after searching Google for special keywords I see new websites with online casino banner and content, that is so idiotic, that only medicine can help.

    Round about 30% of the new and some older still writing nonsense about Martingale progression and how good that progression works at online casino X, online casino Y and of course online casino Z.

    I am warning since years on my Roulette newspaper that people should avoid playing this style as only system and that website owner who are promoting Martingale progression are not worth to stay one more second on the page.

    If someone is selling cars, then he should have knowledge about the topic if he start a website.
    The same with this industry, but making fast bucks [with crap] looks so nice.

    Standard deviation is the key with any gambling math. A standard deviation of 3 or 4 is present every single day in every casino of the world all the time, every 2 or 3 hour with any combination of numbers. Also at Video Poker, Black Jack or Slots.

    Martingale
    One example

    The probability, that Black hits at least one time in 20 spins at a single Zero table is 99.999837 %.
    The probability, that Black does not hit in 20 spins is 0.000163 %.

    Standard deviation of 4 is ubiquitous at a roulette table. So Red can hit 20 times in a row. You can wait as long as you want, there is no chance for Martingale in the long run. Even if the odds are only 0.000163 %, the player can be gunned down with the very first spins.

    My opinion is, that every website owner who promotes the Martingale as a working system on his website is nothing but a scrub and place the players's life in jeopardy intentionally.

    By the way: The probability, that Black does not hit in 10 spins at a single Zero table is 0.127502 and only a standard deviation of 3 is needed to gun down the player.

    The last time Martingale variations for dozen or single numbers are on the air.
    Because the Martingale rip-off with even chances is not working as good as in the past.
    Players are no morons.
    Even if some webmaster believe they are.

    Leopold

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    This evening is Halloween.



    Never saw a bad Legendary Pictures co-produced movie.
    Thousands of horror films exists.
    But one of them fits like chalk and cheese for Halloween.
    It's highly recommended and a "real" Halloween movie.
    Available at Amazon Instant Video (https://www.amazon.com/Trick-r-Treat...=1&*entries*=0) and Maxdome (https://store.maxdome.de/trick-r-tre...en-156096.html).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    This evening is Halloween.



    Never saw a bad Legendary Pictures co-produced movie.
    Thousands of horror films exists.
    But one of them fits like chalk and cheese for Halloween.
    It's highly recommended and a "real" Halloween movie.
    Available at Amazon Instant Video (https://www.amazon.com/Trick-r-Treat...=1&*entries*=0) and Maxdome (https://store.maxdome.de/trick-r-tre...en-156096.html).



    Leopold

    It's been a long time since I saw a good horror movie, it reminds me I must catchup
    When I think of it.. maybe it's because I'm watching regularly The Walking Dead

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    Geez!

    Do you remember the cold war incidents with alleged Russian submarines in territorial waters of Sweden?

    An brand new documentation from Arte, a free and highly intelligent/serious German/France TV station proofs, that all these submarine incidents were nothing but a NATO false flag operation ordered by a special task force from Ronald Reagan. Submarines from Italy and England played the role of intruders from Russia.

    This is reason why never one single submarine was hit by Swedish water bombs.
    It was only for the show.

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    Yes, a long story that continues until today ...

    Do you also remember the reason for starting Gulf War II 1990?
    It was also a barefaced lie ...



    Casualties: 40.000!

    ... later lies about weapons of mass destruction
    ... Niger uranium forgeries
    ... WTC7
    ... Iraq
    ... Afghanistan

    Casualties: More than 1.000.000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Leopold

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    Enough is enough.
    It's time to cut off IS and other jihadist terror filth from the face of the earth!
    They forfeited any claim for human rights in any form and must be declared to be outlaws.
    Purchase some nice greetings cards and sent them to the governments of Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
    These countries demonstrably financed and supported IS.
    It is so to speak a parenthood.
    Well done!

    (White) Hacker group "Anonymous" declares war on IS!
    Regarding this war "Anonymous" published three "Hacker Guides".

    Noob Guide: https://ghostbin.com/paste/jrr89
    Reporter Guide: https://ghostbin.com/paste/vt5zz

    and a "Searcher Guide".

    The instructions may only be used for study purposes, because practical application can violate the law of your country.

    Leopold

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    Is this industry a madhouse?

    Vitalbet

    New GPWA Platinum Sponsor.
    I repeat: Platinum!

    Last online 21. November: https://www.wmcash24.com/member/vitalbet

    But Vitalbet don't want to communicate.

    Vitalbet

    -Affiliate terms does not exist
    -Gag rule in player terms
    -Vitalbet accepts Bitcoins, so every dark web criminal and IS murder is welcome for happy money laundering.


    Go to http: vitalbet.com and scroll down to the bottom.
    Do you see the colored "GC" seal?
    Yes, it's the same home made "license seal" Club Gold Casino created in a cloak-and-dagger operation after they get busted using without permission a seal from a real license operator. The same time they called me a liar about a very important phone call. The same time they were Platinum Sponsor. The same time real gangsters were sitting in the Club Gold office abusing players AND staff. Today this casino is nearly dead and affiliate manager Liisa (
    https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/liisa-thi...tml#post765112) obviously was thrown away like a dirty rag some weeks ago and I am waiting since weeks for an answer, why she is banned from GPWA while real criminals like Fernanda from AffPower can continue the dirty work without any problems (Proof: https://www.wmcash24.com/member/fernanda-affpower). Fernanda is working with hackers until today and now in the function of a CMO! (Proof: affpower.com/contact-us/)

    Vital Bet - Vital Media Srl

    Phone number: +44 20-3289-2388
    Home made license seal number: "365/JAZ"

    Under the phone number you will find also ebettle.com ...

    And under the master license "365/JAZ" - punchbets.com

    And now we take a deeper look, how serious brands under these home made license are:

    ===> Parasino casino scam - Not paying, No answers on emails

    I repeat: NO AFFILIATE TERMS UNTIL TODAY!
    Every webmaster gives Vitalbet a blank signature!


    And Vitalbet was informed about this 5 days ago!
    Proof: https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/welcome-v...tml#post802535

    Vitalbet was online on GPWA on 20. November and also one day later.
    Do you believe, they don't read their own welcome thread?

    You see, Platinum is only a question of money, not a question of quality.
    My rating for this program is "Wood", but feel free to give me one real argument that I am wrong.

    Only one please.

    Leopold
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    Strage...

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    IS filth has no country.
    No national anthem.
    No grandeur.
    They are just dirt.
    We, the European People ... we are all brothers, because we have the same roots.

    So ... these days I can say: "In my heart I am also French"

    Yes, indeed.



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    Regarding companies and everything that have to do with money, we Germans are very fussy. This is the reason why online casinos should not try to cheat players from Germany or try to take them for an idiot Also the thread of patience of German webmasters is not unlimited, and if we decide to declare a company idiotic or evil, then this decision normally is final.

    The worst thing a company can do:

    Unprofessional mode of operation.

    Do that and you will hit the jackpot to be a hopeless laughing stock for us.

    As a result, I can't understand why in this industry so many sponsors are working unprofesssional, doing everything to lose any respect.

    If you are managing private app exchange partys with free entrance, free drinks and tarty pictures on the wall, then there is nothing you can do wrong.

    But if you have a company where money is the main event then professionalism is key to everything!

    Leopold

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    Mr. Mustafa al-Aziz al-Shamiri was held at Guantánamo for 13 years!

    I repeat: 13 years!
    But he is innocent because it's a case of mistaken identity.
    One more life destroyed.
    Did you know, that after Iraq was falsely accused to be Osamas friend, falsely accused to own weapons of mass destructions, falsely accused to be involved in 9/11, after the war of agression begun and hundrets of thousands innocent people died, nearly all elite members of Saddam's army, that were banned or killed, are Sunnis like Saddam himself?
    And exactly these banned Sunnis joined together after Iraq became unstable and falling apart and they instituted IS to take bitter revenge.
    There is no doubt, that without the war of agression against Iraq IS will not exist.
    History is repeating itself ... again and again. But obviously there is no learning effekt:
    Nato eastword enlargement continues.
    They want Montenegro. A very dangerous provocation of Russia!

    Leopold

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    Regarding this new sign of decomposition (Betsson key affiliate manager steals € 153.000 commission) my soulmates Otto wrote a very interesting article:

    ===> https://www.cassaon-casino.com/blog/g...iate-programs/

    Otto's place is not only uncensored. It's also a niche for the truth and high standards.

    I've taken the liberty of writing some very clear words about the industry in general and in detail as an uncomfortable comment to his article.

    [...] Blackmailing, muzzling and telling the untruth are the order of the day. [...] I know, that ghost accounts were or will be created by affiliate manager or program directors to switch also high rollers from the webmaster account to this ghost accounts as long as they go broke. After this the expressed player will be switched back to the webmaster. For the webmaster the player only was on vacation. No suspicion arises. [...]

    Read Otto's article and then scroll down to the comments, even to my uncensored statement (https://www.cassaon-casino.com/blog/g.../#comment-6609).

    Have a nice weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    Regarding this new sign of decomposition (Betsson key affiliate manager steals € 153.000 commission) my soulmates Otto wrote a very interesting article:

    ===> https://www.cassaon-casino.com/blog/g...iate-programs/

    Otto's place is not only uncensored. It's also a niche for the truth and high standards.

    I've taken the liberty of writing some very clear words about the industry in general and in detail as an uncomfortable comment to his article.

    [...] Blackmailing, muzzling and telling the untruth are the order of the day. [...] I know, that ghost accounts were or will be created by affiliate manager or program directors to switch also high rollers from the webmaster account to this ghost accounts as long as they go broke. After this the expressed player will be switched back to the webmaster. For the webmaster the player only was on vacation. No suspicion arises. [...]

    Read Otto's article and then scroll down to the comments, even to my uncensored statement (https://www.cassaon-casino.com/blog/g.../#comment-6609).

    Have a nice weekend

    Leopold
    Great article. Leopold, thank you for sharing it and to Otto, thank you for taking the time to write it. There are several noteworthy items in that article. One of the biggest (in my mind) is the resurfacing of Lloyd Apter. For those who do not have memory such as mine, I'd like to remind you of something Lloyd said nearly three years ago to the date:

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    So there is the story

    After leaving the great position of secretary of the board of an Israel manufacturing company that was now part of a multi-billion Pound UK packaging group DSS, I got a truck license and tried selling organics directly for a year and fell hard!!

    Hadar Cohen from spiral, who actually worked for me at the previous company, kindly offered me to either take the affiliate position or a brand manager position, I preferred the sound of the affiliate industry I took over BS from Shelley Shalomi who actually started the program and there i was a one man show running a crappy affiliate program that was blacklist on the GPWA for our excessive and abusive use of pop-up ads. Ted Lou, Ronda, Adrian Beaumont, Kevin RC, Steve Biggs, Rick and many more great people.. taught me the business (I will always owe you guys) and after two years with Warren Jolly's kind assistance (they had just recently launched CAP at the time) I managed to convince management that affiliates were a lot more than blood sucking vampires and that we should make a big investment in a complete re-launch and we did… launching on the GPWA and CAP.

    Kevin RC showed me the ropes and caf?shops at my first conference in Amsterdam and from there started the greatest journey of new friends and new places – Vegas, Miami, Barca, London… and Marcia joined so we were now a two people team.

    The USA market closed and our advertising missed the boat – Europe is sports with casino inside, the USA is the opposite way round and advertising went off line and everything online became affiliates, but of course spiral missed this all... Despite this BS grew and grew and we made more friends and worked diligently.

    We grew to a ten person team and delivered BY FAR most of the net revenues. Then there was the SEO CM fiasco and i stepped in and convinced management to bite the bullet, pull everyone, save face and move on and they did – always exciting and challenging We then went on to win the casino affiliate and casino CM awards two years running – thanks very much CM!

    With BS booming we attracted Erik Smith and unfortunately spiral messed it up big time, we tried in the end to fix what we could but I’m still very sorry about this…

    They tried poker in France, mobile, etc… nothing worked and if it did, not for long. And then i brought in an amazing lead, from a very good colleague in the business, for a totally new related area of business, and this time i followed it through and made it happen, as if it was my own company, which it wasn't :P

    Restructures and restructures and I stayed in the same position, until they brought in the advertising manager who had missed the USA shut down boat to manage me – OMG! How can someone manage you that doesn't understand or respect affiliates… “Tell %affilliatename% we accept the deal and A will change the reports” What!!!? I thought I didn't hear right?! Really... It became harder and harder internally... but i continued to protect the affiliates best interests because that was in the programs and companies best interest as well.

    One of the big advantages of starting an affiliate program is that you understand the technical side as well... and i started get suspicious of possibly of btags changing, hell but aren't they encrypted by MG?! Well they are but you can have two databases… I asked around and made more enemies… hell i wasn't sure if this was a reporting issue/mistake or something else but i had worked for 4 years at Ernst & Young in JHB so auditing is what you do when something looks fishy, no?! That said a still love the old BS Team and I’m sure they still kiss ass... they should cause i trained them

    But BS was now established and stable enough to remove me without much damage, and they did just that… *..*

    I had started studying solar energy a few years back so i went full time into that but it takes time to getting something new going (we all know that!) and there are bills to pay… and as the world works i met this great guy Alex on FB who offered me a part time remote position to work with a very impressive multilingual team in Tel Aviv so I grabbed the opportunity with both hands and I’m glad to be back So today i work half my time in renewable energy (mega solar and wind projects, BIPV, e-mobility, laser wind testing, energy efficiency technology hydrogen development (!) all over the global, working with some of the biggest companies worldwide – BTW I am looking for partners especially in OZ, but all over as well – so please feel free to contact me [email protected]), and the other half my time is devoted to gaming and setting up a something that I can fully relate to…

    And we hope to be launching in this great community very soon!

    What’s the short version – plenty more to chat about

    Happy holidays to all of you at the GPWA!

    See you on line or at LAC
    Three years later, and similar is still playing out (with Betsson). Lloyd of course was talking from experience with Brightshare - but clearly similar things were going on there if he is taken at face value (he should be in my opinion). Add into the equation that Brightshare (a GPWA Gold Sponsor, sadly enough) is also having difficulty in both communicating with and paying out US Affiliates.

    I think it is long past due that we begin holding programs accountable.

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    Ladrokes must stop operation in one of Germany's most populated state!

    So many times in the past I wrote about the fact, that the so called "German license" from state "Schleswig-Holstein" ist nothing but a phantom-license.

    Now first bullets and shells dropped in the territorial waters of the sportsbook industry.

    Ladbrokes stopped all operation in Germany's State of "Hessen". Since 29. December 2015 no individual from Hessen is able to login or to register an account.

    "Hessen" is on population place 5 of all 16 states here.
    Over 6.000.000 people living there, more than 7% of all German people.

    Ladbrokes owns the Schleswig-Holstein license, but as you can see, it's not worth the ink printed with if someone operates also outside of Schleswig-Holstein everywhere in Germany.

    With a high degree of probability Ladbrokes received a warning letter from Hessian state government.

    If that's the way this industry have to learn their lesson and if other states follow this path, then ... Good night!

    Leopold


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