Kindred Affiliates Change T&Cs - New Minimum Depositors Rule

**zalozite** · 23 July 2018, 7:24 am

Thank you for your help

**mgaming** · 8 August 2018, 1:21 pm

Kindred Affiliates decreased my revenue share to 10% as well, despite I was promoting them earlier only in Poland and I've stopped due to changes in gambling legislation. The situation in Poland is similar to the Netherlands, so their behaviour is far from being honest. Hopefully, someone from Kindred will answer my questions.

**Sherlock** · 8 August 2018, 2:05 pm

Not telling their behavior is ok, but you can still promote them in Poland. Signups go through (if you are lucky and cookie drops which is another case).

**Ash Ketchum** · 8 August 2018, 3:10 pm

I recently got an e-mail from Kindred that said that Unibet will stop paying out commissions for new players who live in the Netherlands. I suppose they will recall this decision when the market in the Netherlands is regulated?

**Triple7** · 8 August 2018, 3:16 pm

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum

I recently got an e-mail from Kindred that said that Unibet will stop paying out commissions for new players who live in the Netherlands. I suppose they will recall this decision when the market in the Netherlands is regulated?

Yes, that's very likely.

**Sherlock** · 8 August 2018, 3:16 pm

I hear that market in NL has to be regulated for many years. I think that once it happens, there may not be affiliates. And if they are still around, there will be no significant commissions. I have never gotten more than peanuts from regulated markets. They are end game of affiliates. So that is the last thing that bothers me.

But yes, Unibet pays something for example for players in Romania that were acquired before regulation. The magic of Unibet and NL was something I will not write about, because I do not want to harm them. The magic is now gone.

**Triple7** · 8 August 2018, 3:29 pm

Unibet will for sure pay for new players after regulation in NL, but it will be peanuts, yes. They have their own SEO, Adwords, sports sponsorships, media buying and between Unibet ads, people will be able to see parts of sports games and movies. Here they dominate the commercial blocks with ads that sometimes take more than a minute. In Belgium, during the World Cup, even government sports channel sites and newspapers look more like a Unibet affiliate website than like something else. Hence, there is no need for them to pay big RS. Sooner or later most of their affiliates will find themselves with 10% revenue share of gross gaming minus fees and a 29% gaming tax.

Every year, NL market will be regulated "next year". However, basically nothing is happening, brands are making things more difficult for affiliates. It seems there is some interest in making it affiliates difficult already.

**elgoog** · 8 August 2018, 4:24 pm

Originally Posted by Sherlock

The magic of Unibet and NL was something I will not write about, because I do not want to harm them. The magic is now gone.

Can you explain this further Sherlock, i mean.. i understand there is a part you do not want to tell, but still... i do not understand

**Ash Ketchum** · 8 August 2018, 7:36 pm

Originally Posted by Sherlock

I hear that market in NL has to be regulated for many years. I think that once it happens, there may not be affiliates. And if they are still around, there will be no significant commissions. I have never gotten more than peanuts from regulated markets. They are end game of affiliates. So that is the last thing that bothers me.

Do you really think it is a plausible option that affiliates will no longer be allowed to exist in the Netherlands after regulation?

**Sherlock** · 9 August 2018, 12:57 am

No, I think they will be allowed to exist, but the business will be really bad, so there will be no reason for them to exist. No one works for free.

**mgaming** · 13 August 2018, 4:00 pm

Originally Posted by Sherlock

Not telling their behaviour is ok, but you can still promote them in Poland. Signups go through (if you are lucky and cookie drops which is another case).

It depends. According to the law in Poland promoting Unibet is illegal and advertisers could be fined for that. Unibet domain is also on the list of restricted domains, so generally speaking random person without Google DNS or VPN won't be able to use their service on unibet.com domain.

For me, it's a similar case to the Netherlands, as I couldn't promote them (in a legal way). Of course, whole gambling affiliation in Europe is at risk now, but you should put in a T&C full list of countries affected.

**Sherlock** · 13 August 2018, 4:38 pm

Unibet domain is also on the list of restricted domains, so generally speaking random person without Google DNS or VPN won't be able to use their service on unibet.com domain.

Unibet used even few days or weeks ago for Poland another domain. I do not know it offhand and makes no sense to tell it here. But they were going around the block.

It depends. According to the law in Poland promoting Unibet is illegal and advertisers could be fined for that.

There are countries that forbid anal penetration, probably the punishment is worse than a fine. So I can not care less and I am even going to Poland physically. The whole country is a complete joke, there is a cold civil war between wannabe catholic government and Guardian style leftist activists. They make many stupid laws there, then they are taking the down. For example they made a law that whoever (even not in Poland) says that Poles were co-culprits of nazi atrocities at WWII should go to jail up to 3 years. It is just a fact that some/many Poles simply did horrible things as it happened everywhere. Those laws are a nonsense and as a such they should be taken. But it is your business. IMHO the risk is ridiculously low, unless you are a Pole&you do not obfuscate your identity.

For me, it's a similar case to the Netherlands, as I couldn't promote them (in a legal way). Of course, whole gambling affiliation in Europe is at risk now, but you should put in a T&C full list of countries affected.

Yes we and all people can do less and less. So what. Soon someone will make a law that you can just work, go to facebook and few other whitelisted websites and pay taxes. Will you obey?

**mgaming** · 26 August 2018, 8:38 am

Does anyone have responsive contact to Kindred Affiliate Manager? I sent private message here to Head of Affiliates + did the same via their contact form - without any response for over 10 days.

**affy** · 26 August 2018, 12:20 pm

Originally Posted by mgaming

Does anyone have responsive contact to Kindred Affiliate Manager? I sent private message here to Head of Affiliates + did the same via their contact form - without any response for over 10 days.

It is a recurring issue with them...

**Triple7** · 26 August 2018, 1:39 pm

Originally Posted by mgaming

Does anyone have responsive contact to Kindred Affiliate Manager? I sent private message here to Head of Affiliates + did the same via their contact form - without any response for over 10 days.

Ryan.Henderson, head of affiliates. He responds within 10 days if I send him a message to his mail address.

**mickyfu** · 22 September 2018, 10:15 am

Oh well my account has been recently closed. Probably because I didn't jump to their demands of however many depositors they wanted. Another dirty thieving affiliate program in the bin.

**mgaming** · 23 September 2018, 7:03 am

Moreover, Kindred implemented negative carry over since August (in my case). So my deal was down to 10% revshare and NCO - great threatening of affiliates by Kindred (Unibet).

**Triple7** · 23 September 2018, 7:16 am

Their behavior is simply rogue. They know very well that webmasters in small, regulated markets have not too much choice. Their affs are dodging the issue. Didn't accept the new terms and so far no problems.

It seems well coordinated, as they have other agreements with big affiliates (I think).

**RacingJim** · 23 September 2018, 2:33 pm

Yeh I think they're just doing the same as Skybet, sweeping up the small affiliates via quotas and rule changes. ROGUE.

**elgoog** · 24 September 2018, 3:10 am

To be honest, i have my doubts of them being rogue

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