Goodbye Point Affiliates!?

**Roulette Zeitung** · 4 May 2015, 7:02 am

Termination of Affiliate Program

Dear Affiliate
Please be informed that the Point Affiliates Affiliate Program shall be ceasing operation with immediate effect. All payments have been uploaded in the system and sent to management for payment. Kindly take down any reviews and banners you have of Play4Win.com as this site is also not accepting anymore new players. As of today, all emails, requests and contacts should be done with our key official Dr Ian Crockford on [email protected].

Best Regards
Point Affiliates

???
Leopold

**ccl** · 4 May 2015, 7:22 am

I got the same mail. I didnt get paid yet for March commission at this program.

**smartuner** · 4 May 2015, 7:23 am

got the same email. Looks like the casino i promote with them is shutting down. luckily did not generate any revenue yet.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 4 May 2015, 11:13 am

For me there is no doubt: Carmel is not to blame for this.
He is a good guy.
I can confirm, in lieu of oath, that his commitment regarding the brand at any time was professional and exemplary, just fabulous!

So, whose fault is it?
Everybody who knows me knows that seeking for the truth is my passion.
Sometimes common sense is the best eyewitness, and I promise, that I will investigate this matter.
No one can force Carmel to say something, because even employees in this industry have undersigned contracts and I am sure, many of them are bound with the obligation of professional secrecy.

It is not necessary either, because as I said: Common sense is enough if some forgotten background information can be found in the archives of internet.
It is merely a question of time before gaps in knowledge are overcome.

Leopold

**Roulette Zeitung** · 5 May 2015, 5:55 am

Catch me, I'm the truth - Part I

Termination of Affiliate Program

Dear Affiliate
Please be informed that the Point Affiliates Affiliate Program shall be ceasing operation with immediate effect. All payments have been uploaded in the system and sent to management for payment. Kindly take down any reviews and banners you have of Play4Win.com as this site is also not accepting anymore new players. As of today, all emails, requests and contacts should be done with our key official Dr Ian Crockford on [email protected].

Best Regards
Point Affiliates

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The person named in the email has nothing to do with the daily casino or program work. He is no casino manager, not from public relations department, no real casino or program representative or affiliate manger. Indeed, the person is Maltese lawyer and chartered certified accountant [1].

The fact, that every webmaster is forced to contact a Maltese lawyer and chartered certified accountant if he has any question is a strong indicator that regular employees are no longer able to use communication systems of Point Affiliates. Experiences and common sense says, this is a lockdown scenario and all regular employees were kicked out.

As you can see with the email address given in the message, Point Affiliates and the brand Play4Win are a child of "Wettpunkt" (www.wettpunkt.com).

Go to Play4Win and click on the red "Play Now" button in the promotion graphic.
You'll get a "Unexpected Server Error. Error 500" message.
No surprise.
The casino is tango down.

Now go to Wettpunkt (www.wettpunkt.com (with WWW!)) and click in the menu at the top on "Casino".
You are now on the site www.wettpunkt.com/wettpunkt/casino /.
Click on "Try Now" button ("Ausprobieren" for German visitors) in the promotion graphic.
You'll get also a 500 server error as with Play4Win!: "Server Error We're sorry! The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Please try again later. error 500"

This is ironclad proof, that not Point Affiliates or Carmel or any other employee of Point Affiliates are the guilty party in this case. The plug of both (!) casinos - operating familiar but independently of each other (!) - (Wettpunkt Casino | Play4Win) were pulled out obviously at the same time (I can proof with my check today ... latest within 24 hours), likely in a hush-hush operation.

So, if not Point Affiliates or Carmel or any other employee of Point Affiliates are the guilty party ...

Who is the guilty party?
And why?

Questions for another post sometime in the future if answers could be found.

Leopold

Public sources:
[1] itinews.co.za/print.aspx?type=2&itemid=0258EDAD-D0DC-42FD-8380-19E85E8135D3

**ccl** · 5 May 2015, 7:35 am

I sent an e-mail to the "[email protected]" email yesterday but with no answer yet. So not getting paid for March either im afraid they are running away with the money as it looks like they are closing both their casinos now. Did anyone get paid anything from them at all ?

**Triple7** · 5 May 2015, 7:59 am

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

For me there is no doubt: Carmel is not to blame for this.
He is a good guy.
I can confirm, in lieu of oath, that his commitment regarding the brand at any time was professional and exemplary, just fabulous!

I agree with this. It seems something happened which is out of any influence of affiliate managers, etc. It's like a bank that closes down the business. That's neither the fault of the marketing department.

When I look at the casino, all the games are gone. I think it's a problem with the company that delivered the games.

**ccl** · 8 May 2015, 1:01 pm

Still no answer from "[email protected]" and no payment recived either. I see they did close the login to the affiliate program now.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 10 May 2015, 4:46 am

Catch me, I'm the truth - Part II

The following information are public and part of public articles from several regular Austrian newspapers.

The main source of my post is ?i>WienerZeitung?(?i>Vienna Newspaper?:

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrich...kt-Gruppe.html

Since autumn 2011 Austrian betting company ?i>F.S.G.-Intercorpo? owner of a large numbers of gambling halls under the green brand "Wettpunkt", has a new owner. Around 32 years after the founding of the company owner Hannes Bohinc retired from business and sold his 7 Austrian companies and his companies in Malta to the ?i>Wiener Global Bet Holding GmbH? Online business is running over ?i>Wettpunkt International Limited?with a license from Malta.

?i>Wiener Global Bet Holding GmbH?is only a company vehicle. The real buyer was ?i>Global Investment Holding?in Geneva (Swiss). We are talking about 1.000 employees!

Behind all is Russian oligarch Valentin Petrovich Bukhtoyarov. His assets amounted to over $1.800.000.000. He is owner of around 100 racehorses and co-owner, financial officer and vice-president of coal mine company ?i>Sibuglemet Holding?in Novokuznetsk (Russia).

We all know, how oligarchs from eastern hemisphere come into money. The well-being of workers and employees do not count.

Against this background and the result of my first analyze here in this thread (https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/goodbye-p...tml#post787017) there is no doubt, that the billionaire from Russia shut down both casinos because for him the profit was not high enough, the money came not fast enough.

He could do it with the click of his fingers and - to all appearances - indeed he did.

All employees are innocent.

Leopold

**Triple7** · 10 May 2015, 5:50 am

Are toys for them. Like football teams.

Some people like to play Football Manager, Tropico 5 or Casino Tycoon. For people with that much money, those games aren't real enough. And people that got bored of a PS4game, turn off the game, they do the same.

**Roulette Zeitung** · 11 May 2015, 7:31 am

Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung

For me there is no doubt: Carmel is not to blame for this.
He is a good guy.
I can confirm, in lieu of oath, that his commitment regarding the brand at any time was professional and exemplary, just fabulous!

Originally Posted by CasinoVergelijker

I agree with this.

This is my final post in this area.
If you want to know more about Carmel, then read this post (https://www.wmcash24.com/forum/leopolds-...tml#post787454) or go here to a video about Carmel Said and read the full video description.

Carmel is a good guy.
A real guy.

Leopold

**Alexm** · 22 May 2015, 8:28 am

Received payment anyone ?

**celena** · 26 May 2015, 6:22 am

There are people who have no conscience. ;(

Originally Posted by JoeSixpack

Are toys for them. Like football teams.

Some people like to play Football Manager, Tropico 5 or Casino Tycoon. For people with that much money, those games aren't real enough. And people that got bored of a PS4game, turn off the game, they do the same.

**ccl** · 28 May 2015, 12:10 pm

I still didnt recieve any payment or email back. I also mailed to their contact address at www.wettpunkt.com "[email protected]". With no answer. Almost got a feeling that they set up Play-4-Win just to rip off affiliates.

**ccl** · 29 June 2015, 4:57 pm

One more month... still no answer and no payment. They still operate www.wettpunkt.com

**ccl** · 9 July 2015, 8:16 am

They have contacted me now. I will update when/if payment is recieved.

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