BETFRED want to be listed again - haah!

**FictionNet** · 5 March 2019, 5:08 am

Betfred/ActiveWins closed my account and stole serious income from me a couple of years ago due to BS inactivity rules that kept changing, my affy manager lying and cheating until they just closed the account.

Since then, they've asked to come back asking to be listed. I ignored that request. Now they're asking again - George Scholes, Affiliate Manager emailed me if we can discuss 'a new deal'. Bearing in mind, they probably stole tens of thousands of pounds from me.

My reply:

You closed my account and stole the revenue from me. As you've done to many affiliates. Now we blacklist Betfred. I will have pleasure posting now at GPWA that you have AGAIN asked to work with a partner you screwed over.

Your bad deeds are coming back to haunt you. No serious affiliate wants you now.

**Doolally** · 7 March 2019, 2:08 pm

Well done. Screwed many an affiliate, hope it comes back to bite them.

**Tonny** · 7 March 2019, 5:34 pm

Reading this, I'm happy like a child who got a lollipop

**allfreechips** · 7 March 2019, 5:55 pm

Whay not add them back on for 25K up front then you could change your mind?

**Sherlock** · 8 March 2019, 12:11 am

It should be reactivation of the previous account + paid all missing commissions if something. 25K would mean their trick paid off.
There is zero chance they would accept, but they should get responses like this from affiliates.

I am afraid this is just a try to show nicer numbers before the company will be sold and then all affiliates will be screwed again.

**Moonlight Cat** · 8 March 2019, 4:02 am

Originally Posted by FictionNet

George Scholes, Affiliate Manager emailed me if we can discuss 'a new deal'.

Ask to compensation first.

**FictionNet** · 8 March 2019, 5:22 am

Re. compensation, that'd be a given - and I still probably wouldn't agree to work with them. My policy in ALL these situations is - IF the company replies asking to work it out (which they won't - George will never reply) then they have to pay the full debt (that I determine) plus interest (that I determine) plus a cost for my time to discuss (that I determine). Then - and only then - will I agree to have a conversation, just a conversation, with the warning that it will probably not lead to working with them again.

So far, no takers.

**-Shay-** · 8 March 2019, 5:34 am

Originally Posted by FictionNet

Re. compensation, that'd be a given - and I still probably wouldn't agree to work with them. My policy in ALL these situations is - IF the company replies asking to work it out (which they won't - George will never reply) then they have to pay the full debt (that I determine) plus interest (that I determine) plus a cost for my time to discuss (that I determine). Then - and only then - will I agree to have a conversation, just a conversation, with the warning that it will probably not lead to working with them again.

So far, no takers.

Love this policy! Tough but fair.

**eenzoo** · 8 March 2019, 7:41 am

Originally Posted by FictionNet

Re. compensation, that'd be a given - and I still probably wouldn't agree to work with them. My policy in ALL these situations is - IF the company replies asking to work it out (which they won't - George will never reply) then they have to pay the full debt (that I determine) plus interest (that I determine) plus a cost for my time to discuss (that I determine). Then - and only then - will I agree to have a conversation, just a conversation, with the warning that it will probably not lead to working with them again.

So far, no takers.

Has anyone ever accepted the deal?

**FictionNet** · 8 March 2019, 8:04 am

No, but hasn't been tested often

And even if the casino DID somehow do everything I asked, it's unlikely still I'd do anything more than keep the lot and not promote them, because one of my conditions (especially to the likes of William Hill and their 5% scam) would be the repayment not just to myself, but to every other affiliate scammed and not paid their full revenue. So it ain't gonna happen.

**Sherlock** · 8 March 2019, 12:56 pm

**FictionNet** · 11 March 2019, 10:10 am

Hey, Betfred - got a tune for you - including YOU, each and every employee who fake-smiled and fake-laughed with me at conferences, drank with me, shared time with, face-to-face, only to cheat and steal from me like I was your enemy and a target to scam - and William Hill/AffUtd, BetVictor, SkyBet, Ladbrokes and every other immoral piece of crap program.

I was here before you started. I was here when William Hill phoned me up to tell me they were considering launching an online poker room for the first time and would I like to be involved. I remember Ladbrokes first program offering 10% and being so cocky that they thought their brand alone would support it, despite me telling them they were not going to pull it off. They didn't pull it off.

I ain't going anywhere. 2019 is the year from which no casino will ever **** over FictionNet ever again. Make it your motto too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KJjVMqNIgA

**bookieschief** · 29 April 2020, 3:42 pm

I checked statistic a week ago and there where few thousends turnover with few handred commision. Today I have checked again and they completely delete all history of this month. I did not make screenshot a week ago beacuse I could not even imagine that Betfred can steal money so insolent. Can't bulieve....

**PromoteCasino** · 29 April 2020, 4:33 pm

Originally Posted by bookieschief

I checked statistic a week ago and there where few thousends turnover with few handred commision. Today I have checked again and they completely delete all history of this month. I did not make screenshot a week ago beacuse I could not even imagine that Betfred can steal money so insolent. Can't bulieve....

Double check again their system updates at xertain times of the month where it appears to be zeroed out but a couple of hours later I can see it updating day by day. Fingers crossed this is what it is.

**PromoteCasino** · 29 April 2020, 4:39 pm

wow, just checked my account no stats at all not even zeros nothing showing and I know there was activity

**baldidiot** · 29 April 2020, 5:03 pm

They sent an email last week saying they needed to rerun the data because of an error in the March stats. I’m guessing it’s just to do with that.

**mickyfu** · 29 April 2020, 5:16 pm

Originally Posted by PromoteCasino

wow, just checked my account no stats at all not even zeros nothing showing and I know there was activity

They had reset my account last month, and had been working on the stats. I can say one thing, before they reset it, it was lower than it is now. So it has gone in my favour and not the usual bullshit that other affiliate programs like GVC do.

**tufty** · 29 April 2020, 7:20 pm

The really big problem with them is the bingo stats. They have been wrong since the migration, something like double counting bonuses so that a positive has been impossible and far more likely negative month after month. You may not even promote bingo too heavily. I did promote it ancillary to sports but check those bingo stats for the turnover you do have going back to the migration and see if it makes sense to you. If they don't, complain to them. They accepted there was a problem soon after migration and appear to have done nothing about it. The problem is those negatives, which should be positives, are deducted from your other monthly earnings. Any bingo affiliates out there suffered too?

**Nenad** · 29 April 2020, 7:39 pm

Originally Posted by FictionNet

My reply:

You closed my account and stole the revenue from me. As you've done to many affiliates. Now we blacklist Betfred. I will have pleasure posting now at GPWA that you have AGAIN asked to work with a partner you screwed over.

Your bad deeds are coming back to haunt you. No serious affiliate wants you now.

This is definitely the same answer I would send to them! I wish no single affiliate which account has been closed by them will return to them never ever again!

**Asim** · 30 April 2020, 3:23 am

Originally Posted by Nenad

This is definitely the same answer I would send to them! I wish no single affiliate which account has been closed by them will return to them never ever again!

Yes they screwed me also. These UK oriented sites should be promoted carefully. Suddenly they apply rules about quota etc, just to get some reason to close your account and steal your players/earnings. Last 12 months I had have closed affiliate accounts at these sites because of quota terms :

-Betfair (Paddypower have taken over. Should now be promoted only if you have existing account earning cash)
-Unibet (hundreds of players lost)
-BetssonGroup (Closed one of my aff-accounts with hundreds of players in it and earning every month because of quota rules. Many of the players was from other sites that Betsson buyed Betonbet, maxsino casino etc, and they just made a new betsson aff account to me, making it more diff. to reach quotas because you have to promote sites from diff. Betsson aff accounts. From the existing Betsson affiliate accounts I still have I have downgraded all positions of the Betsson brands, knowing that It probably down the way will result in closed account.

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